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Monday, 6 October 2014

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Reaction: What SEOs Think About Facts & Answers Showing In GoogleSearch Results

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Last week, Google officially rolled out Structured Snippets, the search giant’s move to show snippets of relevant data directly in its search results.
According to Google, the content being displayed is powered by its Knowledge Graph, as well as other data sources.
As Search Engine Land news editor Barry Schwartz noted in his article, “Where You’ll Find Google Structured Snippets,” the overall concern around Google’s increasing activity of pulling website content directly into search results is that webmasters and publishers will see fewer clicks to their websites.
While there’s little to be done once Google makes a decision on how it displays search results, we asked five leading SEOs their thoughts on Structured Snippets and Google’s continued action to pull website content that doesn’t belong to them.
Here’s what they had to say:
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Are you concerned about Structured Snippets?
Smarty: Actually I haven’t seen enough examples to be worried yet.
From what I’ve seen, that additional info is not at all satisfying. Rather, it shows the user there’s more info inside. The structured snippets make the listing stand out and seem to spur some interest.
So no, so far I am not worried.
In general, how concerned are you about Google’s increasing activity around pulling answers off web pages to show directly in search results?
In general, I do feel concerned about Google trying to become more of a publisher than a search engine. But if we are talking about this specific case, I actually like the fact that they are not moving that responsibility onto webmasters, and instead, trying to figure that information on their own.
They are not going out to say, “Use this code, spend hours re-coding your web pages and you may be lucky unless we cancel this experiment in a couple of years.”
This time they are just making use of already existing code and information which I’d love to see in the future.
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What’s your take on Google’s Structured Snippets?
Enge: I do think that lots of people are going to worry about these types of snippets from Google. It’s only natural.
As you can see in the Superman example below, the data is being pulled off the imore.com website and presented in the SERPs.
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I think there are two interesting questions here:
1. Is the information shown by Google in the public domain?
I am not a lawyer, but I believe that I can use any information that is in the public domain as I see fit, as this type of information cannot be copyrighted.
For example, Olympia is the capital of Washington. I may learn that information from your web page, but I can still use it in any way that I see fit. The lesson here is, don’t build your publishing business on a foundation of public domain info.
2. Is it considered Fair Use, as defined by the US Copyright office?
If so, once again, Google would not have a problem. The concept of Fair Use is a complicated one, as there are no clearly defined lines between what is, and what is not, acceptable; but, it is clear that the more substance you take from the 3rd party is a factor.
It is common practice among those who quote others, or whom attempt to make fair use of someone else’s copyrighted material to provide attribution. However, the U.S. Copyright Office indicates that this might not be enough: “Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.”
An important note is that the Fair Use discussion is specific to the U.S., and the laws differ from country to country. I expect that Google will get challenged on this point somewhere along the way.
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Are you worried about Structured Snippets?
Thurow: Yes, but probably not in the way that many SEO professionals might be concerned.
I understand why the powers-that-be at Google want to give searchers a better experience by answering quick-fact queries easily.
My concern is not about Google “stealing” traffic from websites. My concern is that Google will answer these quick-fact queries incorrectly because a group of people format the answers to quick-fact queries in a way that Google recommends.
Bad content is bad content regardless of how the content is coded and formatted.
Example? Look at Wikipedia’s definition of search engine optimization. I certainly do not agree with that definition. Will people accept that definition of SEO because of structured snippets? I think that is a likelihood.
That is my concern. No one should have to format to Google’s – or anyone’s – preferred format to prove that his or her information is factual.
How do you think Google should do to rectify the issue?
Thurow: If Google is so gung-ho about proper citation, then Google should ensure that the citations for their knowledge graph answers are 100 percent clear… in other words, transparent.
In general, how concerned are you about Google’s increasing activity around pulling answers off web pages to show directly in search results?
Thurow: The pulling of content for search listings? I don’t have a problem with that. To be honest, search engines have been pulling snippets from actual web pages for many, many years – before Google came to existence.
The value judgment is problematic. We live in a society of Google Gullibility. People honestly believe that if a digital document ranks at the top of Google, then that document is the “true” or “best” answer.
In our societies worldwide, we do not teach children and adults how to critically evaluate search results, or formulate queries.
I am not fond of technology-centered design. Google’s leanings toward this is getting worse, and that is my concern.
Are you doing anything differently in light of this issue?
Thurow: Of course! Now I’m going to conduct some more tests on Google. We shall see, won’t we?
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Are you concerned about Google’s new direction to display content directly in search results?
Kohn: I’m not worried about Google’s structured snippets, nor am I concerned about Google pulling answers from pages and showing them in search results.
If your business relies solely on answering questions like how old Zac Efron is or who was the voice behind ALF then you’ve been living on borrowed time.
Providing a rich experience around those answers by understanding the passive intent behind those queries will separate the winners from the losers.
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How concerned are you about Google’s increasing activity around pulling answers off web pages to show directly in search results?
Edmond: I understand the point with respect to the fact that Google needs to keep users in Google to continue to generate ad revenues. And I feel like for the most part, they’re presenting information in a manner that benefits the organizations for which structured snippets display.
I’m not too concerned because I don’t think there is much we can do.
Ultimately, the broader public – as it pertains to website publishers – have very little leverage. We basically have to play ball. It’s a reminder that building your own audience and network is far and away the most important lesson for business owners.
Google is a commercial entity that can do as much as it needs to do to remain relevant and in business, within the rules defined.
That said, it’s aggravating because Google’s success is literally based on its ability to curate information from third party sources. The irony in what they’re doing, and what they seek to enforce for third parties (with respect to a set of standards for references and links), is a bit laughable.
Has this new direction caused you to change or alter the way you do things?
Edmond: No, not at all.
In my opinion, the reward for performing better in search engine results overall outweighs the risk of losing a percentage of traffic if Google would decide to display structured snippets based on our information.
More importantly, I tend to believe that if Google is presenting structured snippets based on information on our site (or client sites), it’s a signal of trust and validation of our work building brands and executing marketing strategy.
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Amy Gesenhues is Third Door Media's General Assignment Reporter, covering the latest news and updates for Search Engine Land and Marketing Land. From 2009 to 2012, she was an award-winning syndicated columnist for a number of daily newspapers from New York to Texas. With more than ten years of marketing management experience, she has contributed to a variety of traditional and online publications, including MarketingProfs.com, SoftwareCEO.com, and Sales and Marketing Management Magazine. Read more of Amy's articles.
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Bing commence montrant droit de paroles de chanson complète dans lesrésultats de la recherche

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While SEOs debate Google’s recent addition of structured data in its search results, Bing is making a similar — and perhaps more significant — change to its search results:
Full song lyrics are now showing on Bing’s search results page in the US, and Bing says it plans to expand this outside the US in a matter of months.
Bing says this is available now for more than 500,000 songs and more will be added. If you want to see it in action, Bing gives the example of In The End by Linkin Park. You can also see Led Zeppelin’s Stairway To Heaven, Roar by Katy Perry and so forth.
When lyrics are available, Bing shows a portion of the song and a “See more” link that leads to the entire song. On the right, Bing shows more song/artist information from its Snapshot feature.
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When there are multiple songs with the same or similar titles, Bing doesn’t seem to be trying to guess which one the user wants. The song lyrics don’t show up for searches like beautiful day lyrics or magic lyrics, for example.
Lyrics may show up for songs from any music genre. They’re currently being sourced from a site called LyricFind. We’ve reached out to Bing to find out if they’ve secured copyright permission to show these lyrics. Bing tells us that LyricFind is licensed to use the lyrics, and that license extends to Bing’s display.
I can’t recall the last time Google or Bing shared any data about how many lyrics searches are done, but it’s generally believed to be a very popular type of search query — making this a significant move on Bing’s part. (A comScore spokesperson told me this morning that the company doesn’t specify the types of searches occurring on the major search engines.)
I should add a disclaimer before I continue: As someone who launched a U2 fan site two decades ago that offers song lyrics with the record label’s permission, this is an area of extreme personal interest for me.
There are pros and cons to what Bing is doing here.
On one hand, there are a lot of lyrics sites online that happen to very good at SEO but quite terrible at user experience. They rank well, but a searcher that clicks through might have to fight through multiple pop-up windows, extremely ad-heavy pages, auto-play audio or video and more. So in this sense, it might be better for searchers to be able to get lyrics right on a search results page.
On the other hand, the lyrics are on these sites are quite often wrong, and it didn’t take long for me to find mistakes. The lyrics that Bing shows for U2's “I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For” are on the left below, and the lyrics from my website are on the right — lyrics that were transcribed after careful listening to exactly what is sung, not just what shows up in an album’s liner notes.
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You might say that it doesn’t really matter if every single word in a song lyric be accurate, but if search engines are going to show content, data and facts in their search results, we should expect it to be accurate, no matter if it’s song lyrics or medical information.
The other obvious implication here surrounds search traffic to lyrics sites (and fan sites like mine). According to comScore estimates for August, Bing has less than one-third the search market share that Google has, so Bing’s move may not cause a lot of harm. But imagine if Google were to start showing full song lyrics in its search results… is that something we’ll see eventually, now that Bing has taken the lead?
Postscript: This article has been updated from the original version with additional information from Bing.
(Sheet music image via Creative Commons.)
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Matt McGee is the Editor-In-Chief of Search Engine Land. His news career includes time spent in TV, radio, and print journalism. After leaving traditional media in the mid-1990s, he began developing and marketing websites and continued to provide consulting services for more than 15 years. His SEO and social media clients ranged from mom-and-pop small businesses to one of the Top 5 online retailers. Matt is a longtime speaker at marketing events around the U.S., including keynote and panelist roles. He can be found on Twitter at @MattMcGee and/or on Google Plus. You can read Matt's disclosures on his personal blog.
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SearchCap : Paroles de Bing, Google HTTPS Stats & SEMPO Code d'éthique

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SEO Organizations Call For “Search Congress” To Create & Enforce SearchMarketing Code Of Ethics

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SEMPO, along with other search marketing organizations, are calling for SEOs to participate in a “Search Congress” to help draft and enforce a search engine marketing code of ethics for North America.
While the initial search congress and creation of the North American Search Engine Marketing Code of Ethics is being organized by SEMPO, the overall goal is for the initiative to be led by a grass-root effort of existing and future search engine marketing organizations.SEMPO
According to the announcement, anyone wanting to participate must be nominated by an eligible search engine marketing organization, including regional associations, virtual communities or other eligible groups.
To clarify which groups would qualify to nominate delegates, SEMPO listed the following requirements:
Groups that self-identify as serving search engine marketers in some capacity.Groups that are at least 1 year old.Groups that have at least 10 dues-paying members.Active SEMPO Local groups that are more than 1 year old.Groups that are primarily active in North America.Groups that have pre-existing by-laws.
“Everyone has different opinions about what a search engine marketing code of ethics should contain,” said SEMPO vice president of communications Tony Wright, “The only way to create a code of ethics that will work is to ensure those people who are interested have buy-in and there is a fair way to enforce the code of ethics once it is ratified.”
An informative meeting to discuss the initiative will be hosted at Pubcon in Las Vegas October 6 – 9. SEMPO said the meeting location and scheduled time will be posted on @SEMPOGlobal and @Pubcon social media feeds.
Some opinions expressed in this article may be those of a guest author and not necessarily Search Engine Land. Staff authors are listed here.
Amy Gesenhues is Third Door Media's General Assignment Reporter, covering the latest news and updates for Search Engine Land and Marketing Land. From 2009 to 2012, she was an award-winning syndicated columnist for a number of daily newspapers from New York to Texas. With more than ten years of marketing management experience, she has contributed to a variety of traditional and online publications, including MarketingProfs.com, SoftwareCEO.com, and Sales and Marketing Management Magazine. Read more of Amy's articles.
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